i just bought a pair of these, and I'm super impressed! This is a real comment, so take it as you will. For the cost of these hi-hats, you can't go wrong. They are better than the Sabian B8's (IMO). I'm very impressed with the all around sound and reaction of these cymbals. I am returning to the drums after a 15 year hiatus, and I'm very pleased with finding a terrific sound at such a reasonable cost. Good luck in making your final choice!